Salon Rising: The Podcast

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Hey lovers, welcome back to the inner sanctum. This week on the salon rising podcast, we are joined by some of our favorite humans, the incredible duo Shay and Helina from bare face and naked podcast.

Honestly, love these girls so much. We are diving into evolving your business. Guys, change can be scary. Evolving is empowering. Take a step back to move forward. Benefits of working in different environments, playing to our strengths, and some of those little Samara takeaways that the girls just can't live without.

We hope you enjoy this podcast, guys. It's great to hear what the girls have been doing and some of the exciting things they've got coming up in the works as well. So, enjoy! Welcome back everybody to the Salon Rising podcast. Uh, we are joined today by our special guests, Shea and Helina from Fairface and Naked Podcast.

Thank you so much for having us. Thank you. Yeah, this is so nice. We're so excited. Yeah, I was going to say, we're so excited. We're like role reversals. I love it. We were at breakfast this morning and we were literally like, how good that we just get to go on and We rocked up, we rocked up. We didn't have to do any of like the thinking behind hosting it.

Just thank you for having us. We're honoured to be asked to be on it with you guys. How long, I reckon it's been two years since I was on your first. Like I was on the first time. Yeah, I was pregnant with wives. Yeah. Samara was one of our actual first guests. OG guests. Yeah. You were still in Brisbane.

You're still recording from Brisbane. Oh my goodness. Oh, the little box. The little box. Yep. Yep. So that was like two years ago. So there's been, yeah, loads and loads and loads of change since then for me and for you guys. But that's kind of what I want to get into today is you guys both had a massive change, which I think is really relevant to our industry of, you know, being okay with change, being with, okay with moving from like, so, um, Helina's moved from home salon, To in studio.

Shea has kind of moved from her salon into renting a chair so that she can focus on other things. So I think that's really cool too because we get stuck in this. Mindset both ways. You know, we think that that's a better way to go or that's a better way to go, or, and then, you know, even for you coming to the idea of like downsizing and going the other way, letting and feeling, feeling okay with that and letting it go.

So this is a really cool conversation because we've had it on both sides. And I think there's a lot of, you know, um, single operators out there that are in this kind of space. Where do I go? What do I do? How do I make these decisions? And I obviously saw these decisions with you guys a long time ago, so it's not.

Something that you guys have jumped straight into. We would chat about it with you and our little one on ones. And we're like, is this an idea? And you're like, Shea, Helina, do it, go for it. And we're like, we're just going to sit with it for a few months before we jump. But the idea gets planted with your help.

It's so funny because I've seen so much of that. I'm like, I remember that. Oh, yep. That's that idea. Oh, yep. That's that idea. Um, so I would, I think we worked together in November. So November's when we finished. Yes. So we're in September. I know. I know it was so nice. So I would love to know. Gally, pick whoever's going up first.

I don't know why I've got watery eyes right now. Maybe you go first. I don't know if I'm like emotional or like, my eyes are sore, but I'm having a teary eye. I'll let you speak. She's crying. She's so emotional because we're all together again. I'm going to take one for the team today. So Helina, your journey has.

developed because you are at home and you now in studio, renting a room interest in a studio. Tell us why, how are you feeling? So I obviously as everyone knew I was a home based studio for, you know, Just over two years, loved it and it was, I absolutely loved working from home and end goal is to do that again.

I changed from being a home based studio to, I basically rented like a room as well within like a holistic health clinic. Still in Bly Bly on the sunny coast. I'm literally, A minute 30 from where I used to be. So there's like no change from my clientele or anything. And the whole kind of process just aligned really perfectly, which made me feel very like confident in it.

So I met my partner, um, end of last year. We already met each other, but we decided to start seeing each other then. Um, and then, you know, fast forward, we decided to kind of make that move and move in together. In that time, my chiropractor. Who was building her studio in Bly Bly was kind of using my brow room when I was down here with Shea on a Monday.

Yeah, okay. Um, so we just kind of had that kind of ball rolling and she would come and see her clients here and get them used to coming to Bly Bly and then it was kind of like, okay, well now I need you. Yeah, okay. When Keegan and I decided to move in together, my main priority was. I need somewhere to work because I was home based studio.

So are you, have you left your house? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. Where are you living? In Brisbane? Are you in? Yeah. You're in Brisbane? Yeah. So I don't even live on the sunny coast anymore. Wow. Yeah. So I'm like North Brisbane. Yeah, okay. I kind of feel like that's good for you and I. Oh, I tell you what. As soon as I was doing it, she's like, just keep coming down.

I was thinking that. Cause I was thinking back to Shae saying like, you know, I'll get her down this way. You just wait. So we're North Brisbane. We're North Brisbane. We're getting closer. Honestly. Um, so then I had a sat, like a sit down with Lauren, the chiropractor who owns the clinic I'm in now. And I was just like, you know, what's your vibes?

Like, do you have a treatment room that I could potentially. Like rent off you. She was like, Oh my God, absolutely. So as soon as that was like confirmed, Keegan and I got the ball rolling with like the other side of things. So, and like I said, it all just happened so beautifully. Like the house got rented out really nice and quickly.

The move to the salon did was perfectly like within a week. I had moved my house. I had moved my job and I then went in and then I went in for, um, I had a surgery that week as well. It was a massive week, but I made it work. And realistically North Brisbane is where like my family is as well. So it's kind of like moving back home.

Yeah. Um, so yeah. And you know, fast forward, I've been there for Um, I think, uh, eight, nine months now. Yeah. Um, I'm loving it. Yeah. Okay. I'm really feeling like a creative flow being surrounded by other women in business because it is like, there's, um, like contractors in there as well. So naturopath, masseuse, chiros, very different than like a random brow.

Place to be surrounded. Oh my God. I use and abuse all of them. They all have amazing eyebrows though. So, um, but yeah, no. So, and it's just like a beautiful calming space to be in. And you know, in our industry we do long ass hours, so to be in an environment that's just so soothing. I really have like felt that within my clientele as well.

So, and how many days are you doing a week? Okay. Yeah. Okay. How long's the drive? What's your travel? Um, I mean, from where I am heading to the sunny coast, there's not really traffic. Yeah. Okay. Um, so it takes me about 45. That's not too bad. Yeah. It's really not that bad. It's a podcast. Sometimes it's just silence.

Yeah. Sometimes it's a phone call with a friend or a family member. Yeah. Like it's time that I didn't have to myself that I realized I actually needed. It's forced time to yourself now. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I was obviously, you know, working. 10 hour days in my home studio and then from literally finishing my last client within the minute, walking out and either conversing with my housemate, trying to be a present friend, or when I started seeing like Keegan, I had to be like a present partner and whatnot.

So it was just kind of like, Oh my God, like having 45 minutes to like, Decompress my day is amazing. Yeah. So I'm, um, and I think obviously working from home, you know, you don't have that travel time in between, so you don't realize how much you're kind of actually missing that forced time to yourself.

Yeah. So I feel like you don't, I feel like you realize how much energy gets sucked into your house with other people. That was a massive thing as well. I only kind of started staging my home when I met Samara. So, and it was, sorry, the first time you're like, What do I do with this? Like, how do I, do I smoke it?

Do I like, let it just chill? What do I do? But no, it's so true, like, with what we do. We are, like, within the beauty industry, you're like, literally a therapist. Like, beauty therapist is literally what we are. So, and like, you know, you take on everyone else's kind of problems, because no one really wants to talk about the good stuff going on sometimes in their life.

And I feel like too, with us, And I always say this to the girls, like, nobody wants you to give them. advice. They just want you to be on their side. If they're telling you the craziest story where you think, mate, you are mental. You just have to be like, yeah, girl, you do your thing. So, um, but yeah, that's kind of me where I'm at with work at the moment.

I'm loving it. Do you want to eventually go back home again? Definitely. So yeah. Um, flexibility kind of end goal for myself and Keegan is to build a home. Um, and I'd love to build a studio separate to the house, so not like walking through the same door to my home in a big clients would literally walk separately into a studio, own bathroom, everything.

So, um, yeah, so yeah, at home, but it's not. In your home, yeah. Do you feel though that going into the studio has given you, this is something you and I haven't spoken about, given you more boundaries, given you more set things around work, like obviously It's like, if you're going to be there, you may as well get your day really booked because you're not going to drive 45 minutes, not to kind of conscious on that.

Or do you feel it's the same? Yes and no. In a way. I feel like I set more boundaries around clientele. You don't see me doing clients at like eight o'clock at night anymore, but in a sense, obviously, you know, Shay and I and Anthea have another business now. So when I'm not with clients, I'm still working on that business at home.

Yes. Um. So like more probably boundaries around clientele, um, working hours. I mean, you're a business owner, Samara. Tell me what your working hours are. Um, but yeah, so, but I definitely know that like the setness of it, like I know when I'm here, I'm eight 32. 9 30 at night normally, but you know, I know that that's my day.

Yeah. So it, you can kind of set those hours. Whereas I know even when I used to do stuff from home. It becomes a little bit more flexible of what your day is and you just have that little bit more structure and routine around it because you have to go to the studio anyway, so you may as well, I feel like definitely kind of with what you said then, like we, like when we're working on our education and stuff, I'm like, okay, guys, well, from, you know, eight o'clock till four o'clock today, I'm contact hours with clients.

Yeah, I'm not, I'm not contactable to you because I'm with my client. And like I've said from literally day one with brows for me. It is my zone out time. I am not present with anything else in life but that eyebrow. And that for me is like my escape. Yeah, amazing. Like from everything. Like I'm, I'm working on that eyebrow.

that you're, what you're doing as a career is your escape. 100 percent The definition of purpose, right? And it's so true, I guess. I think when I get on here, I'm the same way. Like, I'll be on my phone all day when I'm not here. But when I'm here, You're here. I don't touch it once because I'm so zoned into being with my clients.

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And you know, we all mix, I mean, you guys mix more colors and Shayna with brows. I don't know how you do that, but like, you know, you got to concentrate and you got to, you know, then remember what you spoke about with that client four weeks ago and just remember things in like with their life as well as your own.

And it's just like being present with them. Is like, that's my priority at that time of the day. And the girls are all really respective of that as well. Will you stay in Brisbane? Will you need to start building a clientele in Brisbane now? I already have a clientele in Brisbane that have traveled to me for years.

Yeah. Cause that's where like I'm from originally. Yeah. Um, and then everyone was driving up to see me. So, I mean, realistically. I don't know where I'm going to go with it yet, but I feel very comfortable with that with my clients. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Michelle, my turn. Um, okay. I think last time, the last time we spoke, you tell me what was the last time we spoke, you were obviously in the salon.

I was, yeah, but we'd always played with this idea of, I think as we've worked together, we'd play with this idea of like, What will life look like if I didn't have the salon? You've obviously been traveling a lot for education and we'll go into Asht soon. You've been traveling a lot for education. You'd been starting to be like, I don't want, you know, you, we dabbled in staff and I was like, don't do it.

And you did it. And you were like, don't do it for yourself. It's so much easier. And then obviously like, so you did all the amazing changes that I was like, first do this before you remove yourself from the salon. But. Talk us through When, how, what, and you know, how you're feeling now. Yeah, because I saw you, you were just on the precipice of this.

Like it was like, it was about to happen. Yeah, it was. It was at our, um, dinner. Yeah. So I think the idea of selling the salon came in because you said, I sold my old salon. And I was like, what? Like, what do you mean? I remember saying that to you for the first time and you were Huh? Because I thought, you know, I always went into building the salon, putting money into the renovations, buying the furniture, thinking I'm going to do this.

I'm going to get nothing in return. It is what it is. That's the kind of point. Yeah. I think I remember saying, and you were like, you're like, Shay, sell what you've done. Like sell the space. Have someone take over your lease, but sell the space and sell the furniture. And I was like, Yeah. Holy fuck. I remember Shea calling me and being like, did you know you can do that?

I was like, no. And the coolest thing about that for anyone out there that's thinking, what? So you don't sell the space because you have a lease or the business, but you sell the fact that you've set up a salon. So I did this when we moved from, um, the, Ella to the Ella we're in now. Mm. Because like, no one was gonna be able to sit.

You can't set a space up for under turnkey walk in everything. Yeah. A hundred grand. Like so much money. Exactly. Where it is beautiful and everything's set and you just walk in and you go, well here's the money. I'll walk in and start. Mm-Hmm. . And you don't have to do anything. You can start the next day.

So for me, I almost did. So when I first started Zarrella, I couldn't find a space anywhere. And I ended up doing that. I paid someone like 20 or 25 grand and I demolished the salon and started again. It was more so I needed that space and it was good rent and it was the right choice, but I was like, I'm going to do that again.

About the only thing you kept was the basin. Everything else got moved around and changed. Oh, from the old space. Yeah. 100%. And yeah, everything else I was like, this would have been easier if she just demolished the whole thing. Like I, and, um, but there, when we left our old salon, there was nothing I was bringing.

The only things we were bringing are the stuff that the salon needs. Like I wasn't bringing cups or microwaves or anything. I was bringing nothing. This whole salon was set up from scratch. So it's like, what is the point of. having this whole salon set up. And I was like, I truly, truly believed that the right person would find it.

And you know, the woman that bought it is just this beautiful, like, she just reminded me so much of myself. So I was like, I want her to have it. And her partner was really lovely and they bought it. And I was like, Oh, that was, you know, I think I sold it for 30, 25 or 30, 000, maybe 30, 000, which is huge. Like it was just a huge relief, but she was never going to be happy to buy it.

Start a salon for that much money. Like it costs a lot to all the basins and stuff. So that's what I had said to you. Like you can sell it. Like it's set up so beautifully. Your space is so beautiful. I was leaving everything behind. Yes. That no money and time that went into it. Yes. So like, it's not like you are walking out of some crappy ass salon and you're like, I'm going to sell it.

You're walking out of this like glorious salon. Salon. So it makes the most amount of sense. Yeah. Yeah. So when you originally told me that idea and I was like, Oh wow. I sat with it for probably about five to six months, I think, because it was coming to terms that I wanted to downsize, but telling myself that downsizing is not a terrible thing, right?

It's the ego thing, right? It's the ego thing, right? You think I've done it, I've made it, I've done the big thing. It's beautiful. I'm so proud of it. And I was like, if I step away from this and go back to room renting, which at the time in my head, I was like, Oh, is that like going backwards? Yeah. Right. It's just like, Oh, you're going backwards.

You know? And I had to just, I had to sit with it. I had to come to my own terms and be like, it's fucking not. And now that I am room renting, Oh my goodness. The best thing I've done for myself this whole year. Yep. Yep. Because now I don't have the overheads. We literally had a phone call about it, literally this conversation, I was like, dude, I've done it.

You needed to have this out on because it's like, we go through this, like, You know, working here, then work for ourselves, then rent a space, then have a salon, and then you're like, how the fuck did I get here? I just got here because this was a progression. It's the same way with life. It's like meet the person, get engaged, get married, have the babies.

It's a progression of life. It's like the same with business. It's like, do I actually fucking want to be here? It's like when people say like, you know. People don't want to be employees anymore. It's like, yeah, they do because only a salon is fucking hard. So it's, you know, it's not like that at all. It's depends on where people are at their life.

And, you know, for us, especially in this industry, we need to stop making that when you're successful. You are successful when you have a salon and you have 10 people that work for you. You're successful when you pulled in your first client. That's not successful. Exactly right. That's success. Success, yes.

You're successful doing whatever you do. If you decided that you don't want to be a salon owner and you have a job that you love, success, you have a job and a job that you love and you love coming to work and you've got great humans that you work with and you love your life. Successful. Like who are we to say what success looks like, but it's an, it's ego.

It's sitting in that ego of being like, I had a salon now I'm selling it now. I'm going back to room rental. What does this look like? I think because it was on like, The mood board for so long. Right. I was like, I've got to take this off. And then I finally ticked it off. And I was like, I didn't feel how I thought it would.

Well, it did for a little bit. And then the bills come and then I bought a house and I was like, Oh, okay. My money isn't just, I can play with it now. I'm like, I've got a mortgage to pay. You know, I want to travel next year. I want to spend half my time next year overseas. And I was like having this giant salon, which I didn't need all the space as well.

I went really big in the beginning thinking bigger is better. I remember coming in and being like, this space is huge. And you were like, no, no, no, no. Like it's perfect as it is. And I was like, let's put some walls up, girl, rent this baby out. I remember Samara came in, she's like wall, wall, rent, rent, go. And I was like, Um, and then a week later I sat with it and I was like, fine, put that all up, so quickly.

You jump when you're like, you know what? That was a good decision. We come to terms. I'm like, we're doing it. I'll have it done in a week. Yeah. And when it came to like, I'm selling the place, I was like, let's sell this place. I was like, I now I've decided, do you know what your human design is? You've, you've, you've done it with have I?

I need to look at it again. Oh, I'm really interested. I don't think she's a projector. No, but I think there's an emotional authority over here, like, as in, like, making the decisions. Oh, see, I think she's spleenic, cause that's a quick, that's how I screenshotted it and sent it to me. Yeah, I think you did mine too.

I did. Mmm. Haha. Yeah. But no, like, once you decide, once I decide I want to do something, it's like, I want it done right this second. No, but she was like, sitting on it for ages. So sat with it for the idea and then, and then it's like, done. It switched. Yeah. It's, the, the light. And I was like, ah, okay. And now that I've gone into a smaller room, I like, I just have a room.

It's all I need. I pay a very, very small, small amount. I have so much more income coming in. I have so much more freedom. I do not have the stress of overheads in me. Like I have a giant fucking salon on my hands that I have to continually run because it's also room renters. Oh, and like the last few weeks, everyone's been like, Shay, you're so light.

You're so airy. And I'm like, It's because I don't have a giant salon. Yeah. Not because that was the only thing, but there was so many more responsibilities that came with having a giant lease. Yeah. And I was like, I don't want to be responsible for this. And being, it's like a tie down. Oh yeah. Yeah. And like thinking, okay, I want to go overseas.

Like my partner and I want to do this. We want to do so much work for travel. And I was like, I can't have a salon. I think too, if you've decided and you got to that point, you've decided you don't want staff. Why have you got a big salon? Yeah, exactly. Right. If I was a small again, I would have a, I would find a small, actually, no, I don't want to do a big lease again.

So I'm really happy with room renting. I actually really am. I think cause you, the reason why you get staff is so that you can start coming off the floor, but if you generally love being on the floor and you want to do it, Then why do you actually need a salon? Like the salons generally come with like, you want to fill the rooms and you want to put more staff in there and you want to build it that way.

But you'd made your decision that. I don't want to do that. I don't want this. I like being me. Yeah. I like working my small amount of hours each week, making good money and then doing what you actually like doing and not having to worry about the stuff that you don't like doing. Yeah. Work's just fun. It doesn't feel like it's ever like, Oh, work.

I think as well, like one thing that I know I always had to kind of ground myself with was obviously, you know, I had someone who, one of my best friends doing the same job as me, had this beautiful big. Yeah. And I was just a home based studio and I remember constantly, I, yeah, but I constantly like Jen, you would understand.

For anyone that's home, Jen says, I know what that feels like. But like, it's true cause I had to really like pull myself back in when I would compare myself to Shea and her success of building this big salon. When we, at the end of the day, we were doing the same amount of clients per day, we were pulling in like.

Similar wages. And I was like, okay, I have to remember my clients come and see me at my home studio that I have made beautiful to my standard and I'm happy. And that's what matters. But also there was the other side of me being like, fuck, I wish I did. Like I was so envious that. Like, look at you just ending your day and that's it, ain't it?

Yeah, it was like, I was just at home. If I could build a salon outside of my home, I absolutely would. I love that idea. And I, I was like, Oh, I wish I didn't have to worry about all of this as well. So you can see it from both sides. And that's the thing, like we would always, we'd have phone calls every day.

Talking about it and we would constantly just be going back and forth with each other, but we would have to also, like she just said, remind each other that we're both where we needed to be at that point in time. And then, you know, moving forward, we both now rent rooms in a commercial space and we're both so content and it is, we're creating this path for our future endeavours with business for ourselves,

that side of things is gone now. It's tied. It's done. It's done. We're sold. We're in the new space because we're creating space to be able to do Ash education. Also, I'd like to bring up here. Oh God. I know exactly what you're saying because Samara told us to do this. This was Samara's seed planting. I was like, can someone put a spotlight on Samara?

Yeah, Anthea, this is all for you. As well, yeah. I was like, you two cannot have an education business with the two of you. And they were like, what? I was like, there needs to be a third person. You literally, there has to be a third party. There needs to be a Jen. There needs to be a Jen. And I was like, do we hire Jen?

I was like, you can even hire Jen. And they were like, do we hire Jen? And I was like, yeah. This was, as you were like leaving here, we could ask Jen. I was like, there has to be a Jen. There is our Jen. And I was like, I know how you both work and this will crash and fucking burn if you don't have a middleman.

Because, and if you truly listen to this gang, I was like, I know what your middleman needs to be. And then, yeah, when they were developing it, I was like, there's that person that needed to be in this and it worked. So, so beautifully because like with the podcast, Hannah, Lena, and I, we have Shay as well, who's our middleman for this because together we have these great, incredible ideas, but we need help executing and staying on track and not going shopping, not just going out for coffee.

It's like, okay, we need to stay on track. And when we were creating and it was Bella Beauty was who's auntie owns Bella Beauty. It's this incredible brow, um, business based for like products and giving to the brow community. She's out like one stop shop and she has a wealth of knowledge as well, but she's also not on the tools with clients as much anymore either.

She's basically just in a beautiful warehouse. So we had always kind of thrown the idea around like, Oh, we want to, we want to do training stuff. We want to travel and, but we're like, we don't want to just do it together. And it's also scary bringing a new business partner being like, is it going Also she's got a, I think People, obviously with her mindset and how she works and develops and stuff like that, she's developed this massive business that all the beauties, so at the end of the day, she can see things differently to what you guys are as well.

Like, she can see how a business runs. She can see how things need to be placed. She can see the bigger picture of it and know how to foster and love you guys within it so that you can. She's literally like our brown mum. Yeah. None of the way that. You know, she's like, do this, do that, but it's just, it's just this different, different personality coming in and helping mesh us all together so beautifully.

It's just being able to see. Which is why I said to you guys, you need someone to look over, look and see the big picture. Like it's funny 'cause sometimes Rich and like you guys will understand when they say this, Richard tells people that I'm his Beyonce. Like he's like, she's my Beyonce. She just turns up, does what she needs to do.

Yeah, like shines and then just like I'll do the leaves story. Him in general like sort the background stuff, but it's the same type of thing. Sometimes I don't do well. It's so silly, but knowing too much. Like you guys were like, you know, we didn't have to prep anything. I'm like, I didn't prep shit either.

Like, because for me, the, you know, off the cusp talking, like, this is what I do every day for a living. I know how to cultivate conversation, but there needs to be people that know how to do that side of it and do that side of it really well. Otherwise. The business doesn't get done either knowing how to go.

This is how I know how to foster what you need and what you need. And this is what I need you to do. And then it feels like this partnership, otherwise within two people, it sometimes can feel a little bit like, well, you were meant to do that. Well, you were meant to do that. It's like one person being like, I start you, you do this, go.

Yeah. Yeah. Literally it just works. Yeah. Having all three personalities. And Joe in there as well. Yes. Yeah. But yeah, Ash is, is Anthea, Sinead and Helina. So just. And you would literally die at how long it took us to come up with that. I'm talking like three business meetings. I was laying in bed the other night for some reason thinking about this, like just thinking about the edge.

I don't know. I think you and I just text. Oh, yeah. And I was like laying in bed being like thinking about it and I was like, that works so well. I'm like, I bet you that took so long to work out. We had this day where we're like, we need the name sorted. Because we have, we need to register. Yeah. We need to get sorted.

And we sat with this giant whiteboard in front of us all around this big table and ideas are getting thrown left and right and we're like, no, no, no. And Jay, Joe's on the side, like. Oh, like, what about these? Bring up some really cool ideas. And he's like, no, no, no. What was some of the other ideas? Like mum and dad, like they're, they're, What were some of the other ideas?

Femina was another one that we really liked. It feels so wrong as well. But it's like, now that we've got Ash education and like we envisioned Ash education, we were like, nah, like as soon as, I liked it straight away. I just for a moment had to That hated it straight away. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then I was like, no, I really like that.

And I kept coming back to that. Like I was instantly driven to that. And Femina education. Yeah. I think that was Spanish for something. I don't know. Yeah. An's Italian. She's Italian. Sorry. . But yeah, the thing is, when I look at it, things like that, I'm like, how would I spell Femina education? You know what I mean?

Where it's ashes easy, easy, simple, it comes off easy, straight away comes off your tongue. Simple. And it makes sense now that we've like, I was like us three girls, but yeah, no, it's. So coming together, we have our first event in like less than four, just over four weeks. Yeah. Yep. So what's happening with the event?

What are you doing? What are you doing? Well we actually have a very special guest at our event. It's me. Hi. And it hasn't been announced yet that you're coming, so. We'll still have a date. This'll like, this'll like, we can. Let's do it before this episode comes out actually. Um, so yeah, we've got two days in the Lush, which is a stunning space.

In Brisbane, we actually went to an event there together and literally fell in love with it. And we were like, we need to inquire with this. So yeah, two days there, things from obviously education, guest speakers. We have, we're just doing things like we wanted it to be educational, but not. Boring batshit educational and not like, Oh, I don't know who's sitting next to me kind of thing.

So like we've gone down from even having name badges made to, for everyone with their name and their business, because in our day and age, that's how, you know, people like, you know, that. Samara owns Lazzarella and you may only know Lazzarella from Instagram. You may not know Samara, so that's one thing that I think we struggle with when we go to business events sometimes, but it's just like a name and not a white tag and you're like, Oh my God, I think I'm, I don't know who you are.

And then you see the business and you're like, Oh, yeah, that's you. Yeah. So that's one thing. It's just like, we've thought about things and also seeing, yeah. Seeing that on someone and being like, Oh, I can go up and say hello. Yes. And then also when someone comes up and recognizes you and you're like, Oh, I went, I went into the bank the other day and someone's like, Hey, Sammy.

And I was like, she called me Sammy. She knows me really well. Well, like that's what my family call me and my closest friends. No one else calls me that. And I was like, Hey, and I was like, ah, literally was like complete blank. Like, Oh my fucking God. Oh God. And then she needed to send something for me. She passed me across her business card where it had her name on it.

And I was like, Oh, thank God. Like she's a old client's daughter, but because she's grown up, I didn't recognize it. Like she looked really different. And I was like, Oh, thank fuck. I was terrified for a minute there. It's crazy though. But yeah, so things like that we've thought down to a T and then like a little iceberg, like You know, the first hour of our first day, we have a coffee cart there for people to literally meet new people.

Nice. That's the goal. Yeah. So yeah, we wanted it to be based around obviously education, which there is just so many fundamentals that we have put into this training. But also, you know, we want people to leave with new friendships because Shane, I met through the industry and look at us now. Like, One of my best friends.

I think the biggest thing that we're trying to bring together is the community, right? Well, having it all be fun and exciting and educational, um, and then also not just having it be a one person talk show, right? Yeah. We've got three educators doing three different techniques in one place. So that was our biggest thing.

And like, like you just said, Community is everything and making friends in the industry like yours where you've got a lot of people that are working on their own, you know, and just, you know, maybe don't have the confidence to reach out to people and that just puts them in that space together to feel comfortable to be like a friend.

You never know what type of like, you would assume you guys would assume if I went to an event. I would be like, what's up? Hey, what's up? She won't talk to anyone unless they talk to her. Yeah. I sit in the corner and I know I saw you. Oh, no. So quiet. I was like, don't leave me. Don't leave me. I'm staying here.

But it is, it is really nerve wracking going to an event like this. But you got to get out of your comfort zone and having a little thing, just like a simple name badge and an hour to have a coffee and a catch up with friends, just helps you settle into an event like this. Like it is quite a big one too.

We've made it big and beautiful. Um, but yeah, you need time to just like ease into it, not sit down, shut up and listen. Right? The nice thing with you providing those name badges too, it's like, It makes people feel that you've invested in the fact that they're coming. Uhhuh, they really wanted me to come.

They're put in the effort to make these badges. That's actually for me. Yeah. You know, not just show up, write your name on a er. Yeah. It's like, I guess in a way as well, like even how we teach our students and our, any form of education is how we would expect to learn it. So with us actually creating an event, it's our standard of an event.

So it's like what we would expect. So yeah. Yeah. Very excited. I love that. Brisbane's our first one. That's in October. And then we're planning Sydney next year. We've got Melbourne, um, Perth, Adelaide, and then we want to skyrocket overseas. So that's like, Australia first and then head off, which is the big one.

We're very excited. Yeah. That's incredible. But that's what I mean though. It's like with us three coming together, we are so different in our work. Even Shea and I, between the comparison between us two, we're so different products, technique, the way we, just in general. So for us to bring literally three of that into one training, it hasn't been done before.

And I think that's really important too because, You don't want carbon copies in life, right? Yeah. It's the same when you're a hairdresser and you learn from different hairdressers. You learn, like, you'll see my now seniors, my apprentices have turned into seniors. They are a little bits of all of us.

They're not carbon copies of me or they literally develop their own flavor. I have a question actually. If you guys were to go to a big event, like it's a day or two days, three days, Something like that. Is there something that you would like? Want to have there or something that you feel like you've gone to events before and they've missed the mark.

Is there anything that you could give us? I was actually thinking this. I went to an event, it's not as many people, but I went to an event and it's something that I will do moving forward. Even though I'm so uncomfortable and I'm such an introvert with stuff like that, but I went to an event. There's an amazing educator.

Her name is Kim from Boho Blonde. I see her and I love her. She's incredible. But as, as we walked in, she said hello to all of us and like chatted. How are you? So good to see you. And I thought that was really special because normally I'm such an introvert that I sit back and then at the last minute I'm like, Hey guys, like I'm happy talking to everyone, but really uncomfortable, like individually introducing myself and it's my shit, but it sometimes would make me look like.

Aloof. Yeah. It's like I'm being a bit standoffish and obnoxious. Like, where it's actually just because I'm like desperately shy that I feel uncomfortable when other, like, until I know the room. And then the minute I know the room, I'm like, I melt and I'm like butter. I can like talk to everybody. But I thought it was really nice how she came around and she stood at the door and said hello to everybody.

And it allowed People to kind of like, and even being able to, and this is something that not in an event, but to do in an event, you know, be able to foster being like, Oh, this is this make you guys like a close by. And like, you know, being able to foster that community where everyone can have those conversations.

It was like, for me, the, our dinner that we had for Salon Rising's first birthday, and it was like something like that, fostering that type of community for me, where everyone felt heard and seen. And like that dinner was. everything for me. If I could bottle that love in that room. Sorry, I'm like, it was so good though.

If you could bottle that love in the room so that everyone by the end of it felt comfortable because they were talking to somebody else. Everyone had a voice as well. Everyone was heard. Everyone had a beautiful story to share as well. It was really nice. Yeah. Sorry, darling. It's more so being able to, I guess, Yeah, make sure that people feel like, so that you can kind of, cause you'll know different people where you can kind of put people together and, and a lot of the times people are coming, yes, they want to see the education, but they want to see you guys, you know, so being able to have that moment with you guys where they can talk and feel seen and heard will be massive.

I love that that was one of Samara's things, because that's definitely something that we've said will be incorporated. Three of us, one has a job at the door. There's two, there's literally one at the door giving the name badges. Yeah. Hey Shea, how are you girl? So excited. Yep. Two over or one over at the coffee station yelling out, you know, you know, Jem, this is your coffee kind of thing.

So we're not like, we're not celebrities. Yes. Where we are, we're brow artists too. And I think that's one thing that we've all, like Shea, Anthea and I, We don't see us above anyone else in the industry. We're all just simply wanting to share our knowledge with the artists that are joining us that day.

Yeah, and create a community. I think for me too, like, we've been at events sometimes where you can tell that what the person who's, you know, educating or speaking is putting out is what they think they should. And not authentically who they are. And I think that's like, if just, just be real and the people that need to see and take in what you're saying will, do you know what I mean?

Like, don't put up a front of what you think it should be like. That's my big thing. I got really caught up in that. I don't feel like I ever was trying to portray to be someone else, but there's a look that I always had in my head going into the beauty industry. You've got to look beautiful, put together.

I've got my own little stereotypes that I, I still try and break down, but it's like, Even when we went to an event the other day, I had a light bulb moment. We were at someone else's event who her name's all Lisa's from. Canada. And she is just this bundle of like uniqueness, like, and every single person that room was hanging off her.

She was making her own little jokes, but she was just being herself. And I feel like I was preparing myself to go as being very professional and like, okay, you're on. You've got a structure. I'm And after seeing her do that, I was like, girlfriend, just relax, be you, like, don't get all caught up in being like what I think everyone else should be seeing and what I think they're paying for.

Like you just said, they're coming to see us and meet us just being ourselves. So I had to kind of check myself as well. And I think with podcasts, it's one of the best ways, I think. So you get to know you and you guys have done that through yours and it's so successful. You are authentically you on that podcast.

So I think we've got this importance to show up as who we are authentically on our podcast. Because if we don't, there's a disconnect and then you feel like you're not standing into who you're meant to be when you teach. And you have to, I think with anything, like my girlfriend says all the time, you have You can be the juiciest peach in the entire world, but not everybody likes peaches.

Like, so not everybody is going to like us. I love that. Yeah. Like, not everyone is going to vibe with us. Not everyone. But they're not. It's the same with our clientele with education. It's the same with our clientele in the salon. Like, not everybody is our clientele. And not everybody is our education clientele.

And that's okay. Because all we've got to do is be who we are. And we then. And the people who need us. Yeah. It's the same with Salon Rising. Like. I don't want to work with everyone. I want to work with my ideal people that I feel truly connected with. And, you know, and those people will find me based on who I am, not who I'm pretending to be.

Yeah. And based off who you work with as well and things like that. Yeah, definitely. But I think you guys have. I think you are thinking, like, you've got three incredible minds that are already thinking what is, what do they, what do we need if we go to an event and you're thinking of all those things. I think it's important to watch the crowd because you'll get to a point where everybody, I think I've gone to events before where you can tell everybody's done and then they just keep going and you're like, you don't need to keep going, just wrap it up.

Like, yeah. And you think, Oh, but we've said we were going to this time. It's like, Everybody is done. Yeah. Like, and I did that, I had that the other day, actually, we did a full day course with Culture Rising and like, we were meant to go to 4. 30, but by three, you could tell they were both like, we're so fucking done.

And I was like, we've done all the content. Let's get off. Like you're done. Yeah. I'm done. Like. So yeah, so if you need to talk about anything afterwards, that's fine, but don't keep pushing the information because you think you need to fill those spaces. It's like, well, guys, we've wrapped up early. You stoked it.

Literally everybody. When you get the cocktails flowing guys, we do have cocktail after. And I was like, I do want to say like, have them on standby because we can feel that the rooms like. I'm going to stretch and because we're creatives, we get to the point where we're like, um, Fucking tired. Yeah, I'm done.

Yeah, I'm done Shane. And I like that too. I feel like in a way we are, we bounce off each other with our social batteries a lot. Yes. And sometimes it's just like we just, I'm like, I'm done . And I think even saying that, guys, if your social battery taps out, you need to, you have to go and get yourself coffee across the road.

Take a moment. Go play this. Like go like this. Not offended, . This course is for you guys. If you need to go and have a minute and like recharge yourself and try and like. You know, and, or if you decide you're done, go like it's fine because we feel this, um, pressure to be in it and to be watching it all and take it all in.

They say like you take 10 percent of something, 10 percent of it. Sometimes the people actually need to leave to be able to take the information in because once they get to that point, they're just like, You know, just swooping over the head. Yeah. You guys can, you know, when you've worked with me, like the first sort of half now, you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then by the end of it, Shae's like, all right, I gotta go. Bye.

Other people I'm on the phone for like four hours. Shae's like, yeah, I'm out. Bye. I will happily tap out early at any point. I'm always the first person to leave. And you're the youngest. Yeah. I'm like, I'm the youngest. I'm bored. No, I'm not bored, but I'm like, I'm done. Got the information I needed. I'm finished.

I hope it doesn't come across rude, but sometimes I'm just like, I'm ready to leave. Halfway through education. She's like, I'm exhausted, Gally. I'm going to be, I'm going to be going. So with Ash Education, so you've got the, like the live format. Is that the main format that you're going to be running with?

No. We've got, we've got two, two babies. So we've actually just been doing a whole bunch of filming for online education. So we'll have an online as well. Excellent. So obviously, you know, we do want to get across, across the globe, but it could be in a year or two time. We don't really know. We haven't got that far.

Sorry. We wanted to have that online education platform as well. Where if someone wants to learn, we're playing with the idea of how we're going to format it. But you know, they either might want to learn the big boy, you know, for the biggest one, learn everything, or even just small little skill on a small little mini sections.

So we're just trying to play with that now. I think as well, though, we wanted it to be that. You know, sometimes people can't make an event because of commitments or family or financially. And we didn't want someone to miss out for that reason. So having the ability to learn from an online platform, like we wanted to be able to have all access.

And it depends on the person too. Like we've done online education, we've done, in person education. It just depends on what you, what flavor you feel like. Yeah, exactly. It's the same with Sunrising. Like we're trying to really be as Broad as we can, you know, we're going to have the online stuff, we're going to have the in person stuff, we're going to have the Zoom stuff because, you know, how one person learns to how another person learns and what they actually need.

It's also like, do they need community? At which point they want to sit with other people and do this because they feel like they need to be heard and seen. Or are they, do they want to do this on their own or they'd want to do this in their own time? Exactly. Like we need to let people learn how they need to learn.

Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, but no, there are probably our two biggest ones right now. And for now, there's a few other little ventures, but they're in the way of the works. Yeah. All right. I'm going to ask you, I'm going to ask you a coach question. Okay. You're going first this time. I'm taking the team. Okay, literally, what's.

Why am I nervous? I know, I love, oh my god. Okay, Cheyenne, you can go first. Yeah. What is your 12 month goal? To travel and work, like to not, to not be stressed while traveling, but to be able to take Ash education also, as well as the Naked Brow overseas. Shay and Helina take fucking Europe. I look forward to this reality TV series.

And like, be able to share our journey as well. Anthea's just going to be there being like, Oh God, like, here's your passports, here's your shit, here's the room, I've booked it, I've done it all. And you two are just going to be like, ahhh! But as well, being able to share that journey as well. Like, I know Helina and I, We love documenting and sharing, like we have the podcast, we've got our YouTube account and even to make more vlog style stuff and be able to just not get stuck in the box and be like, I've got to stay here because that's how I make money.

And that's how I pay my mortgage. I don't, I want to live and work, you know, and I love what I do for work. So being able to take it around the world is where I want to be. And by this time next year, I want to say I've at least gone to three different countries. Yeah. That's me and have Ash go with us.

Very similar answer for me. Cause obviously taking Ash education is shifting up to a main priority for me. So alongside Barefaced Brows, Ash education is right there with it. I definitely still see myself doing clients in at least a year's time. Um, probably smaller hours, um, but also maintaining like my work life balance, um, because since my weight loss surgery, like I have prioritized health and fitness and I've dropped the ball on that.

So even in that in itself, it's crazy to think when I met you 12, two years ago, I would have been 60 kilos heavier. You were just so different, but that's the thing though, like my, I made the promise to myself that I'd always would. Maintain that balance through life. And I know I've dropped the ball in that.

So for me, it's just going to be working up with business and then maintaining like the balance between it, especially now, you know, I, I have other priorities in my life that I need to keep up with as well. So yeah. Love. Okay. You can go first again. What would you say? So we worked together obviously like nine months ago, but we've stayed in contact.

I stay in contact with all my humans because. Um, what would you say was one of your biggest learnings when you and I worked together? One thing I, I constantly come back to is I was having a situation where I had a staff member and, you know, things were, were good, but, um. I just knew it wasn't for me. And I had to keep coming back to you.

And like you are very much just, is it good for the business? And is it good for me not being a people pleaser? I think if I had to wrap it all up is not just make everyone else happy, but like make me happy and make sure that my business is going in a direction. That suits my style and not just trying to follow the crowd and, you know, Oh, time to get stuff or time to do this.

But it was just what's good for Shea and what's good for my business and put me first and not just please everyone else and make everyone else happy and give, give, give. Um, so yeah, I think I just answered like three little different questions, but yeah, yeah. I guess for sure. For me seeing that you've just fostered that so much harder.

Yeah. Like even when I was going through with the salon stuff that I couldn't, kept coming back to, okay, what would Samara do? How would she go about this? Because you are such an inspiration of mine and such a mentor. And it's really just like, what would Samara do? Like tapping it, like, what the fuck would she do at this moment?

And I'm like, yeah, I can constantly come back to just, you know, How strong you are for not only yourself, but everyone else around you. Thanks, babe. I feel very excited that I get to watch your very first. Journey with Ashton. I get to be there and support you guys. We can't wait to have you. We did not even have a hand when we thought like, who do we want that with us?

When, when I got the very professional email from Helina, I was like, like, I don't think this is, this is a Shay email. This is not a Helina email. And then, yeah, of course the funniest thing about that was then my email just refused to go back to her. And it was like this. Ironic thing because uh, Rich will say as well like, I never open emails.

Never. And like it was always. Or text messages. Yeah, it was always, I'm the worst responder. But it was like, it was always. Samara would be like, Halina, we have a system where we can see you've opened the email and I'm like, I ain't gonna reply. She's getting there. And then literally when Samara had replied to me, I was like, this bitch is playing me.

I was so funny because you were here. Yeah. And you're like, was that Halina? I was like, you know, I was like, I was like, I'm so proud. See, this is why they needed to be a third that directed her to do that job. It was, um, but then it just refuses to get back to you. I sent it three times to follow up. I was like, this is so funny.

But the funniest thing was when she sent the follow up email, I'd already sent a text message saying, Hey, I'm not sure if you're getting my emails. And then she sent me a follow up. Email. And I was like, look at your text messages. I hate that Samara has so many point of contacts to me. Oh my God, so many accesses.

I'm like, I will DM, I will text message, I will buddy, carrier pigeon, whatever it needs to do. I will find you. All right. I think my biggest thing I took away from Salon Rising In the nicest way possible was the kick up the arse for it for me, and you know, it was like, it was a, it was a loving kick up the arse and it was like a, Being told that like things I needed to implement into my business.

I was like, yeah, she's right. I need to do that. Can I tell you what? The accountability, right? Yeah. What are you going to say? You were shopping? Saba gift matcher. And Mara was like to you. No more shopping, Helina. She wasn't allowed to spend any money. And you post on your story like, Go post stuff! And then you're like messaging her like, I just told you not to spend money!

No, I think I just sent like, uh, This emoji. Literally, when I seen it I had a message from Samara, I was like, Oh god! I need to hire Samara for my shit! And you're like, She gave it to me, she gave it to me! She gave me a voucher and I sold some clothes! And I was like, Really? GirlMath it was free! GirlMath it was free, oh my god.

We should have come up with GirlMath ourselves at that time. Oh, we should have trademarked that. Um, but it was, for me, I was very, like, I started BareFace so I was so blasé, I was like, hell yeah, I'm making all this money, I can do all this shit, and then Samara was the one that kind of pulled me back down to earth, and she's like, Helina, You are making all this money, but it's not all your money.

This needs to be put here. Yeah. And that was one thing I genuinely, I literally still have, sorry, it's the tax man. Oh, but this is what I mean. I have Samara, like literally I can hear her voice in my head most days being like, this isn't yours, like 10 percent of this and 10 percent of that. And you didn't put this money in here.

And one thing I literally remember, like, You saying to me, like I quote was, why do you feel as if you need to have all your money in one account? If you have a big amount in one account, it means absolutely fuck all it needs to be spread across these accounts for these different bills and whatnot. And I still like, it's still implemented within my business.

Now my business structure is Samara rising. And it's like, you know, I got pulled out of a lot of, you know, Shit with my tax bills with Samara that I have kept going. And I even implemented in with Keegan now, my partner, and I've like let like, you know, other friends know, like, this is how I've structured bare face.

And this is how I stay afloat. And this is how I still can afford to shop at Subway Skater. It feels good though, because once you start building all of that, you, I get it because I feel like what. And this is the girls are always like, you're our mama. Like, but it's because I'm not, look, I'm not that much older.

Calm down. But it's because I feel like I have gone through a lot of the stuff that you guys are just that little bit further ahead of I've gone through all this shit. I think I had a massive spending habit. I didn't save shit. Jen knew that I had a massive spending habit, but it's once you Once I hit rock bottom and realized I wanted a different financial future for myself, not that I don't spend, Amazon and I are best friends, but I don't now spend in a way that is to feel anything.

It's like I spend now because I need something or I want to like, you know, I want to get something for myself and that's fine. But. It's a different relationship with it now. It's a different relationship. The spending in the beginning was just like, you you just keep doing it. And you just, you just keep doing it.

I watch it across so many, so many humans that I've worked with and I'm like, you've got to reel that back in. And once you do, and once you see that structure and the financial and your business start to grow, you're like, I don't want to do that anymore. Like it's, it almost stopped. It was probably one of my like favorite, or probably like just something that sat with me the most.

Whenever I had a conversation with Samara, she was like, Helina, you Just tell me, like, just tell me what's going on. And it was, I never felt judgment and I never, Samara was the first person I have ever let into my business to see, cause I wasn't going amazing. I was keeping afloat and Samara was the first person that I had ever let in to see my financials of my business.

That's what I mean. When you walls down, literally, I let my walls down for Samara and she showed me that it was okay that I was in this position and she would remind me, she You still have work tomorrow. You still have a roof over your head. You've still fed yourself today. And it was just like the constant of knowing like, okay, like she's not judging me.

And Samara constantly saying, I've been there, Helina. I have been in this position as you. And I was like, okay, well I'd look at Samara and be like, well, shit girl, get me to where you are. So it was just like the. Almost like the comfort level that you felt, but you knew that you could still open up and be vulnerable, but know that you're working at, you know, she wasn't going to hang up and talk shit about you with the next client kind of thing.

So it was a massive thing for me. Yeah. I remember, I'm sure we've all had a giant tax bill come in and you're like, Oh fuck, that's really scary. I mean, yeah, but I remember my first, I've definitely had that. The amount of money I pay in taxes is absolutely revolting. Yeah. But I remember one of my first.

Big fat giant bill came in and it was just a one off. And I think there was like my, my old accountant sent me like, you owe the tax. I think it was like 78, 000. And I was like, I had just done the salon, my money. And I was like, what? Like, no. And this was before you had salon rising and started, but I think I'd just come to you for like a hair, um, hair wax, a hair trim.

And. You were kind of just giving some knowledge. And I was like, Hey, can you help help me with this? Like, I need help because I don't know what to do. I would love to help. And I remember you came with a giant book and you were like, okay, well, where's this going? Where's this going? And you know, where's, where's your tax account?

And I was like, Here's my money. Like here's my that, that's all my money's this tax. I was like, what do you mean? Like, and you're like, Shay, not all this money is your money. Oh, that literally suits as me shout with a tattoo. And it was like, not all your money, money you make is your money. Yeah. Just feel like ratted on the forehead.

But it, that was the first moment that I was like. This lady is going to save me. And we started just working back and forth, but you would come sit with me for like two hours and like, I'll be like, okay, you're like, Shay, everything's going to be fine. We'll get it paid off. But now, even though that was probably like two years ago, I get a tax bill come in now and I'm like, I've got this easy.

That's I don't stress. I don't have a crying, like mental breakdown of like, I heard this much. I'm like, I've been prepared for this. Like I'm ready. Take it today. It's, it's fine. It's yours. It's not mine. It's yours. But that was just. That is still something as well, coming back to the last question you asked me that I, I will forever hold on to, you know, learning just those beginning basics that no one told me starting a business.

I think everyone just assumes, you know, this and he was like, fuck it. You just make money. Same thing with you guys. When it comes to education, like we think that we need to have like, and I still do it. I'm like. Am I teaching enough? Jen, am I enough? Like Jen's always like, I'm like, I'm not giving enough.

How do I, how do I give more? What do I do more? Someone's doing this better than me. It's like, people just want the fucking great basics. People want great basics. And what you guys are saying, a great, yeah, someone. Great basics of being like, okay, these things will stay with me for the rest of my life and will change my life for the rest of my life.

It doesn't have to be the entire, entire cyclopedia. It has to be little tips that make things so much easier. I don't know about the hair industry, but the brown industry is a lot of like what's trending and what's new and what's exciting and what's going to get you the most 30 million views. It's always really like, ah, and I think everyone's trying to jump onto it.

But like you said, when it comes back to it, people just wanna know how to do a great fucking eyebrow. Yeah. Mm-Hmm. . And it's like just coming down. And if you don't down, it doesn't matter what the trending thing is. How pretty fun it is. Well, yeah. Mm-Hmm. . Yep. Fundamentals, people. Fundamentals. Not getting caught up in it.

All the, yeah. I need to do bigger and better and funner and more exciting. Mm-Hmm. . Just the basic, just the basics. The best. Yeah. Basically, if you haven't. Worked with Samara, Hawaii day. That's my girl, I'll give you 5 a letter. Um, but I'm very, extremely proud of you both, like watching where you've been and the growth and the things that you've continued to implement over the last 12 months is so, I feel so proud of you and so proud of Asht and I can't wait to be a part of it and watch you guys thrive even more.

And, you know. I feel like my vice is out. We wouldn't be here without you. Absolutely not. And Selen Rising. Absolutely. And Rich as well. Literally. I don't think all of you know how much you've actually impacted our lives. I see. It's like an imprint. Aww. And it'll forever be a thing. We appreciate you guys.

Not just saying it. It really is not sponsored that we just said that. Yeah. Oh my God. I love you guys. Thank you. That's beautiful. This episode. I don't want to have it to end, but Richard's put on time. Girls, you can duck forever. I think the catchphrase of today is it's not all your money. No, it's not. All your money.

Yeah. It's all your money. I can tell you twice. Um, so for any of my. hair girlies that are out there that aren't following you guys. Where do we follow you? Well, I'm Barefaced Brows by Helina and I'm the Naked Brow. And then we have Barefaced and Naked Podcast and then we've got Ash Education. So we've got like four platforms.

You can find us on one of those. Helina's not going to reply on any of them. Well, Jen just got me. I actually send follow up emails now. About six months later. I literally titled it follow up. guys for listening. We love you. And we're very proud of you.