Salon Rising: The Podcast

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 Welcome back to the Inner Sanctum,  Sunrising the podcast. We fought over who would do that because last time Jen did it,  but Hey Sam, Hey man,  I  can't believe that this is. Thanks  It's gonna be the final podcast for the year. I don't know what happened to this year. I don't know what happened. How are we at the We did our last one for the year five minutes ago.

Yeah. I feel like we did the first one of this year five minutes ago and everything was so  different. Everything. Everything. Everything. Every aspect of life was different. Was different. Yeah, agreed. Yep. So much has happened this year. Yep. So much. Where do we even start to unpack that? I don't know.  Let's go in, like, the biggest change in your life, personally and professionally, for 2024. 

Oh my god. Yeah, see? So much.  I feel like you know this. You go first.  I know what the biggest change Anyway, yeah. The biggest change in my life is currently building the Salon's Christmas tree  while we're on this podcast. So the biggest change for me personally Is I met my person this year,  um, and navigating  new relationship,  um, extended, we have, we have five children, blended family, five children now, um, navigating, you know, like I didn't again, never forecasted myself doing this ever again.

Um, and it's been the greatest, it's been one of the greatest and hardest years of my life. Yeah.  For sure. But yeah, he. Um, we speak about, um, bringing  your, what you want into your life. And he strolled into mine on the 25th of January last, this year. So it's just even that, you know, I can't believe I have such mixed feelings about how that feels  so soon and yet so long ago, do you know what I mean?

We said all the time, like we,  How long we've actually been together feels so short to what our, what we've traveled through and traversed through. Yeah, yeah. All of the things that it is a little bit mind blowing. But yeah, I have never felt  Uh, safer and more loved and more seen or felt more worthy of this relationship than I have.

Yeah. Um, and And it's definitely come with it's ups and downs. Which I think is super important to say. I think it's always important. It's like when we say, you know, that we manifest. Things into our lives. It's not always going to manifest perfectly. It manifests with all its rough edges and you know, it's two people that have gone through so much previously that are still going through so much.

And that's the thing in this is we're still going through so much personally on our own journeys. You know, there's a lot I have been through in my 37 years. There's a lot of he's been through and he's 34, 35 years. So, and we're doing it with. You know, five children and still dealing with a lot on my side of things.

And, you know, just trying to make the right choices each day and, but it's, yeah, it's an interesting ride, but personally, that's where my life has been the biggest for 2024.  Um, and then,  Professionally, there was so much movement this year in my business. Like I've never had before. So, you know, if you could look back, I think I would just, you could look back and redo life or know what the crystal ball is.

I would have just really sunk into those previous years where we had nothing, you know, everything stayed the same, but you kept worrying it would change, but everything stayed the same for a really long time. So,  um, I had  so many people move away. So many people move away and live in different, move completely different cities.

So the biggest change of my team  that I've ever had. Yeah. Um, over the space. I'm like just going back and thinking, it's like, gosh, yeah, that's all happened this year, hasn't it?  Wow. And end of last year.  So end of last year, sort of from like October last year through to now is the biggest, you know, change that we've had.

Um, and, um, Um, and you know, getting to the end and like refinding myself in the business as well. Like I definitely from the outside looking in  definitely was able to be hands off my business. Like I could be in, still felt involved, but I definitely have been very hands off stock, you know, client relations.

I've definitely delved more into sell and rising and I've been able to be hands off in La Sorella and I really wanted to be off the floor. I never wanted to come back on the floor.  you know,  as we've had so much movement,  I've come back into the business and back on the floor and I've never been happier.

Interesting. Yeah. So where does that leave you then sitting as you move into the new year? Yep.  Will that mean that you will  look to be more hands off of other things that perhaps you were doing before and, and focus more on that client relationship journey again? Or like, what do you, what does it look like?

Or do you not know? I don't know. So.  I, you know, I can obviously hire team members. I can hire managers. I am really in a space right now that I am surrendering and trusting that whatever's meant to be for  La Sorella is going to happen. And I, I really feel like this is.  the time where I have needed to step in and be really hands on and be with my team every day and be with my clientele every day and have my hands back on the ordering and have my hands back on, on all the things because I really have taken my hands off because I've had managers being able to do that for me.

But I really think it's important for me right now. You know, when it comes to training my team and watching and doing things, it's just nothing moves like when you move in your own business. Um, and I've been very lucky that I have been able to be hands off, but,  um, I think for right now it is me developing different new ways and bringing more of my energy back into someone who's really important. 

Um, and. Yeah. I've never felt, I really enjoy getting up for work every day. I really enjoy being back with clients. I really, I've needed to get that sparkle back and I'm very good at what I do. I was talking to Rich about this this morning.  You know, I'm obviously a good hairdresser, but I'm very good at  Being a hairdresser to clients.

I'm a very, you know, I build relationships really well. And I think that has to be taught while you're on the floor. And I want to be able to teach my team more of this and do more of that together. And, and I'm really enjoying it. So it is definitely a juggle. That makes so much sense because like we always talk about that, it's the relationship aspect for everything.

And when you can do. the relationship aspect. And when people see you building that relationship aspect, it's, you know, like something to aspire to. Yeah, for sure. But it's come with its, it's definitely come with its, um,  It's come with it's rocky too, right? Because, you know, we talk about the noise. You know, we've spoken about that before.

So having people say to me, Oh, everyone's left. Or this person, everyone's gone. And  it really is  detrimental to how a person views themselves. Because for me, you know, we had someone say that before. Oh, this person left, this person left. And they were naming people that had left like eight years ago.  And I'm like, so because Lassarella is,  you know, so many of my humans in my team have been with us for so long and it was time. 

And I generally feel like when one person makes a shift, it is a big shift. Everyone starts to make choices and changes up  that  they, my clients have had no change for years and all of a sudden it's big change. But hearing that definitely. Like sits, you know, and you're like, hold on, but all of a lot of these people moved away and then, and let me, but also preface by saying every single person that's left,  I'm still  very close to, and like things in life are allowed to change, right?

Like if you went to the restaurant and the staff changed all the time, you wouldn't even question it. Yeah. You know, people don't, aren't meant to stay in certain places forever. Yeah. But it's like,  is, it's such a responsibility because it's like it's the business owner's problem and their fault if somebody moves on, but people are going to move on over time.

People are just going to grow. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to do different things. And, and it was just a big influx of change for me. Yeah. Um, but I think also really powerful, I also,  um, had to  step into my business and make  some pretty big changes. Um, but scary, but right moves for our business that  I've never made before.

Yeah. Um, and really put my boss hat on even when it felt sticky and I've leaned more into braver conversations and taking my business back. And it has been a very hard, humbling, scary, constant thought  idea. That's an interesting comment. Taking my business back. Hmm.  I think we.  can choose the easy road while it is just cruising because we don't want to  upset the applecart.

Yeah, of our lives.  Whereas without upsetting the applecart it was going to potentially  break it anyway. Yeah. Okay. So,  you know, I had to make some pretty strong decisions for my business. And again, from the outsider's point of view, and how, and the reason I speak around this is the fact that I  I'm very conscious and gracious who, who has ever been in my walls and everything from me is always done with love and consideration and  I think that  it's,  even for me, I'm having to take some of the brunt of, you know, of those, you know, people thinking everyone is leaving my business,  not knowing the other side of, you know, the world.

Of what decisions I made as well, but that's okay because of the fact that, you know,  I am going to keep what's in my walls in my walls and I'm going to keep the relationships that I have with my people as strong as I possibly can. And, and it's my business. Exactly. It's my business, but it's all my personal business as well of how I handle things.

So, it's always with me. as much grace and acceptance and love and support as I possibly can do for La Sorrella first and foremost. Yeah. So it's definitely been a big ride because I never forecasted myself being back on the floor a couple of days a week. Like I'm back on three days a week,  but I actually really love it.

So,  um, it's been nice to take control back of my business because, you know, it's, I've been able to put it out for so long, but I'm in the time that I can, I have obviously personally a lot of support. Again, I have a wonderful partner who is an amazing dad to my children and he, we just managed to balance this big life with lots of kids so well that I actually can do that.

Whereas for the last few years I have not been able to. Able to do that. Yeah. Um, so that's really nice. And it's, it's also nice. He's like, when you come home from being.  On the floor and being in La Sirela, you are radiating. Like, and I'm like, this is back to my, my purpose again. And what brings me ultimate joy.

So I think my lesson in that for anybody that's listening is nothing is concrete and everything is going to change all of the time. And what you might feel like is right for you now, won't be right for you in two years time, and then you'll change it. So really.  don't feel like you have to stand behind the decisions that you made and be okay with it being flexible.

It just because you want to change doesn't mean the original decision was wrong. Yes. It just means that you're in a different place and want something different now and that's okay. Yeah. So I feel like my growth  this year  has been Why so much growing? Why so much growing? But my growth this year has been, you know, that personal reflection and You know, I love like deep, rich conversations.

So that's come with a lot of my people. Um, and obviously my partner and I talk like that all of the time. So it's like the constant pushing. So for me, it's, yeah, it's definitely been a  massive year of change, but also a really, um, I, I leave this year,  um, in a really.  Um, flexible space of where that change is and being okay with the fact that not everything has to be concrete because nothing has been concrete in my life for the last couple of years.

That's not meant to be. But I think that's an illusion anyway. The only thing you can guarantee is change. Yes. That's literally if you think that things are just going to hum along, they're not. Yep. That is not the world that is not living. Yep. Nothing is changing. You might have died. Yeah. You know, like mummification is not what we need to be aiming for.

So yeah. Getting flexible with change. It's so interesting. We've had this conversation.  Because we're currently looking, my daughter's decided that she wants to change schools.  My dad was so scared. My dad's not good with change. It really freaks him out. And he's terrified about her.  taking the step to look to go for a different school. And I was like, I just need you to think about it as if she was 24. And to be honest with him, he probably would have been too scared to do this anyway.

I was like, I want you to imagine, you know, we're looking 10, 15 years down the track and she's in a job.  Uh, the workplace feels really toxic. She's not getting challenged. There's no room to grow.  She's really unhappy on the day to day. Are you going to tell her that she should stay in that job because you're scared.

If she goes somewhere else, it's not going to be okay, or you're going to tell her to, you know, just try something else. I think the terrifying thing in that too, is all that's going through my head is the young girl in Sydney, who's only 12. Yeah. That committed suicide because she was bullied for two years.

Yeah. Rip them out of school and change that shit up. Exactly, and we, like, we don't have a bullying situation or anything like that, but it, it's, I mean, It's okay to want to change. It's also to feel unfulfilled where you are and look for something different. So she's also unhappy. So do you just leave her in unhappiness? 

And then what happens when you're constantly unhappy is anxiety and depression. And like, so  make change. I think in all aspects, I think  the biggest lesson this year is,  is scary as that change can be. Yeah. You have to make change if something doesn't feel right for your kids, for yourself, for your business, like change, fucking change, fucking change, fucking change, make change if something doesn't feel right, change it and listen to, listen to your body and listen to yourself as something doesn't feel right.

Yeah, agreed. Yeah, it's been such a big year for change. Yes. I have had a lot of change this year. Yes. I think we've talked about it is probably in the podcast we had before this.  I feel like I can't separate the personal and.  professional change that has happened this year because I feel like they amalgamated Yep.

into one. It's been a big year. Yeah.  I,  I decided that I had to do, had to, in my mind, a lot of things this year. Yeah.  I'm actually really glad that I did. Some things have been really, really hard. Yeah.  Postgraduate study is really, really hard.  I am really glad that I have pushed myself to do something that is, because in the past, I've always been so, um. 

If I can't do it perfectly,  then I don't want to do it. Yeah. Yeah. So even as humbling as it is to be like, I don't have to get a high distinction on this. I can, I can't just pass it. I can't just pass it. I have to do better than just passing it, but I don't have to be the very, very top  of something  is. 

Sticky. It's sticky and uncomfortable. That's going to be humbling for you being a salon owner.  Um, I'm, oh, see, I don't think I need to be the best at that, for sure.  Wait until you do it. Oh, I don't know. Well, yeah, maybe.  But it's more like,  not in the sense of like doing  Clients is what I feel comfortable doing.

You're not clients, but in this perspective of like, 

that's always easy when it's just you, but when you add  people to it and you can't control that,  that's where it's fucking sticky. And you're like, but  yeah, that's the hard point. That's the stretchy point. People are sticky. Um, but yeah, even in itself with the buying the salon and being like, well,  am I good enough to do this?

You know, like all those mental things.  It was huge. But  it's been such an exciting year as well. Just so much change, so much change with  home life, and I feel like I've hit a really big change in the, you Stage of where my kids are at as well. Like they feel, they all feel really different this year.  Uh, and it's a stage that I actually really enjoy.

Yeah. Like my mother in law is really having a hard time coming to terms with it. She's having a hard time finding that new relationship. That they're not kids. Yeah. It's that, you know, like  it's, it's okay that they're different. It's a change thing for her. Yeah. But, yeah, personally,  and I think for Tim and I, at home, personally, this year, we just decided that we were going to hustle.

Yeah. And we have worked really fucking hard this year, which  we're having to be a bit careful on at the moment, because we're getting  older and tired and just, just  like walking that line of not getting burnt out at the moment is hard, but we sort of set our mind towards doing these things that we were like, right, we're just going to make this happen.

And.  I'm pretty proud of us because we have  done those things that we wanted. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah. I think it was really interesting that you said that burnout then. I think for me, and I've been talking to clients through with this, the idea of burnout, because  certainly we can put ourselves in that.

And certainly there was times that I go through it where I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm tired. I have to check out. But I think a lot of burnout. Um, and I said this to one of my clients is the fact that you are not actually doing anything that brings you joy. Yeah. So, you know, I was like, you can hustle and you can work really hard.

And you know, as I said, I'm back on clients three days a week. I'm back full time reception. I'm back doing all of the stock. I'm still in Salon Rising and I'm raising five kids, like three kids full time and our two boys half the time as well. And dealing with all the ongoing stuff that comes. with a divorce  that never ends.

Um,  and I certainly could walk. I'm in burnout more and more and more and more. But what we realized is the most important thing is to keep coming back to joy and doing the things that need, we need that filling up with, you know, come the end of the day. Even for me, sometimes I'm so.  A Tuesday, especially, it's like I'm back in salon.

I'm early at school for drop offs. I'm in salon all day. Then I pick the kids up and then generally we have  tutoring or we have, um, therapy or one of the things that they need. And I don't get home until like between six and seven 30 at night. And by the time I get home, then I'm still tuned into the business and I'm still trying to get all social media stuff done.

And I'm still trying to do all the appointments and I'm still trying to wrap everything up so I can be in salon rising the next day.  And I walk in. Um, and I don't like walking in the door when my family's already been at home because I feel like I'm then not, I'm coming in as an outsider, dinner's already done and I really struggle with getting into it, especially because it's the first day that we get our boys back.

So it's like, sometimes I'm like, and my head is, this is where like, I feel like I have that ADH, my head's on a loop, like, and I'm just like, got to keep moving. And sometimes I have to just have a shower, stop, and then literally just  lean in and lie only until, like, I can bring myself back. Yeah. But finding those little moments of joy, like, like this is my joyous moment of the day, is like sitting with you.

And just having a cup of tea on the couch or just, you know, because it's the, it's, it's when we don't have those moments that then we feel burnt out because we need to keep searching those little moments with joy. So we had a really busy weekend just been, um, we had touch like tournament or weekend. It was hectic.

But we made sure we got to the creek every afternoon. One of the afternoons it was raining. We still went down. We met this, like these really nice people that gave us like ride on sharks and this boat and like, and the kids just pulled so much joy from that, that I think we feel like we need to allow all this space in our lives so we don't get burnt out.

It's not the space that gives us the burnout. It's the, if you have all that space, but you don't fill it with things that give you joy. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't actually feel joyous anyway. You've got all this space and nothing happening in it, and then your mind's twerking on what it should be doing at that point.

Exactly. It's those micro moments. Like, that's what we've been really conscious of. I mean, I think for,  But for Tim especially, as I said, we are actually getting older and it's a physical burnout that we have to watch for him. He is working six days a week, really, really intensely physical job,  but it's just making sure we're having those micro moments that like, you know, saying no to things and just being like, no, we're not going to do that.

We're actually just going to stay at home. Oh my God. Staying at home is my favorite thing in the world. And it's just so good. Yeah. We've really, really been conscious, especially at the back end of this year.  of doing things like that. Just being like, no. And I for me, I feel like I haven't seen, like, you and I constantly say, God, we caught up obviously on Mastermind and we spoke until like 2 or 3 in the morning. 

Because you just, there's just not that time anymore to be like, Um, I haven't seen my best friend Trace in weeks. I see Ash sporadically. I see my sister. Like I went over and spent the morning with her, but it's so because there's so many moving parts with kids. But I feel like it's really nice though.

You have those relationships where like, that's just our reality, right? Yeah. But when we do, it's just, you drop straight back in. Yes. Agreed. And that's, yeah, it's really making the most of those moments. Yeah. Thanks. and, and enjoying that sort of piece. I, it's, you know, everything when it comes down to it is just being present.

Yeah. It's learning how to be present in that moment. And I actually watched something the other day and it was on, um, Hugh van Kylenburg, who you and I absolutely love, talks about it on the imperfect, imperfects.  And he was talking about how he brings his kids back to, um, presence. So he'll lie on the, The trampoline with them and say like, what are three things you can smell right now?

What is three things you can touch right now? Um, what are three things you can hear right now? And I did that yesterday sitting, I was standing in the creek and I was just really like  that present moment of being really grateful for that. Being really grateful that I have five minutes to read or I have the time to cook or I have the time.

But I think.  One of my  tips that I can say to anybody, which is probably what we need to go into because everyone's like, I'm hearing about you guys and what you're going on in life is I pulled right back on social media for the last 12 months. Like I  right back. Yeah, last year I was very prominent on social media.

Personally, this year. There's hardly been anything. I barely do anything personally on social media. Yeah. I do work, but it's like, we get in, we do the work stuff. Yes. And then I'm out. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm not  scrolling as much. I'm not, I'm not. Um,  definitely tried to shut off way more of the noise so I can be very, very more present in my own life, which I think in the past I used that as a distraction.

Yeah. And now I don't want the distraction because I want to be, I want my life to be so enjoyed that I don't look for my phone because what's going on in my personal life and my business life is  more extraordinary than being involved in that. Yeah. Um, so yeah, definitely pulling off the distractions more.

I just, I did have to laugh so much when. Because obviously, like, we don't always get to talk, and yet, almost within days of each other, we'd both decided that shit, things are getting really ramped up. Let's order food. I know. It's like, you're joking. I've just done this as well. Food delivery service. And it's so good.

What I, yeah, one of the things that I noticed a lot this, uh, lately is I haven't felt great in my skin and my, my girlfriend and Tracy and you and I talk about this a lot. Like I'm like, I haven't felt great in my skin. It's not about weight. It's not about what anyone else thinks. It's more so. I don't feel great.

And when I don't feel great, I don't dress how I want to feel. I don't feel like I want to feel. I feel sluggish and gross. Um, And I realized I don't have an anyone that wants to come at me and says, you can find time. I'm going to tell you to go F yourself because I don't have time right now in this present point of my life to exercise.

Yeah. Unless I get up at 5am and walk on a walking mat for my kids are up. I'm not doing that considering I'm going to bed late and still trying to run all my businesses and life. So for me, I had to take that mindset, that rule book off myself. That's so interesting. That rule book. The rule book. Yeah. Off myself and go,  how can I support myself better?

 Without having to put an extra thing onto my plate? Yeah, right. Cause what was happening and every single salon owner and mom and woman can feel this, but I was like, cross off the kids breads, rocky road from this fridge constantly, Uber eats when I could get it.

So just no care was being taken care of for myself because I just didn't have the time and my mental capacity was just,  it could only hold so much. Yeah. Um, And my partner and I have discussed this, you know, where I say like, you, I don't, men don't realize the load we hold of all of the things. Like, I said to him the other night, what are you thinking about?

He's like, nothing. I'm just like, I'm just looking at the colors of my eyes. And I was like,  what  do you mean?  How is he still alive? I would have stabbed him if he said that to me. What are you thinking about? And I was like, ba, ba, ba, ba.  I actually am gonna say, if any kid, if you're listening to this and there's any kids in the car, please stop.

Pause it, wait till they're out.  But I actually said to him, I'm currently thinking about how one of the elves,  I ordered lipsticks on its cheek and I need to reorder it from eBay.  And if I don't re, and then it was attached to a guest when I went through eBay and not my name. So the dude's coming and he was like. 

What? And I was like, yeah, that's where my brain is right now, because I know I need to do that. Funny enough, I said that story in the salon, and then the next day my client brought me in hers. Brilliant. I love doing that. Totally nicked it out of the park. Didn't have to need to buy a new one. I've got it sorted.

I love that. I, our brains are so full at all times. I've got, All of the kids birthdays coming up, Christmas coming up, it's our first Christmas, it's our big family. What does that look like? What are we doing? What do I need to buy? What do I need to order? What do I need to And like, at night time my brain just like, leaves like, I'm going to bed.

And I'm like, okay, so I'm thinking we get her this. And he's like,  he's looking at me like, shut up, I just want to go to sleep. I'm going to bed. Yeah.  But, so that everything else falls away of what I need for myself. Yeah. So I'm not feeding, and it's always nutrition. So you want, like, I ordered some meals so that I actually could take care of myself and I'm eating breakfast now.

And I know for me, as long as breakfast is eaten  and I've got a protein shake with me. Yeah. And you're the same way. Yeah. I will have a meal company that provides the middle or the end. Yes. And then I know that I've actually taken care of myself through that day and you're the same way. It's exactly the same way.

Yeah. Yeah. And I was.  These last couple of months, everything fell by the wayside. And It was really that,  even my family had noticed, like I just was not  looking, I was just back into those old patterns of like, I'm just not going to eat all day because I didn't get,  yeah, and I'm going to be like, tired and cranky and, or no, I still wasn't doing that. 

But, um, It was, Tim was starting to, cause he finishes earlier than me on a Saturday and he was starting to swing by and just drop something off. Just be like, can you just please consume some food today? And the same with, I actually had one of our reps come in to see me  work. I was like, can you text my husband and tell him that you saw me eating a sandwich because he doesn't think I'm eating at the moment, but I, like, it was not, it was just a, you know, Yeah, it was like saying, it's just, I've got everyone else's food done.

I know what we're all having for dinner and oh, I've got to go to work now. And I've got a client soon. And oh, I didn't pack my lunch. Yep. Yep. Yep. That's exactly where I was at. Whereas if it's just there. Yeah. I can just like,  And for me too, I, I actually put a post up last night,  I cooking for me, for my family, and this is not everybody's jam, but I know how busy a mom I am.

I know how, like, I know that it's one of your non negotiables. I know that the kids.  Non negotiables for me are the fact that I can generally pick them up and drop them off most days because it's things that you want that you didn't necessarily always have. I didn't always have that. For me, it's a non negotiable, even though it's really, really, really hard when I work as much as I do.

But that, and also,  cooking for them. My mum always baked and cooked and I, that is a big thing for me. So I know I don't have time to do it all the time, but I get so much joy out of the fact that the kids lunch boxes are,  you know, created with Vegemite squirrels that I make them and slices and biscuits.

And like, that's my way of being their mum when I still need to be,  a full time  business owner. And so I spend time on a weekend doing that, but then I still am not using any of that time. I could have sat down all day yesterday and read my book and been quite happy, but we sacrifice ourselves because we know that for their childhoods and for what they need, we sacrifice us for them.

And so being able to give myself something back that makes my life easier. Like we say.  outsource as much as you possibly can. Oh, 100%. Like, you know, our cleaners, my nanny, um, you know, the food now, all of the different things that I can outsource. I'm outsourcing heaps of business stuff now too. Yes. Like I'm trying to really, um, and I know you've been doing this as well, like systemize and just  take my hands off stuff. 

That in the past I've liked to do, but I don't actually have to do. And there is a way that I can get things to do that for me. And I think the importance is what you said on that is. Taking your hands off something that you have set up and systemized. Yeah. Not taking your hands off and just being like, it'll be good.

It'll be fine. No, it's set it up. So it feels amazing for you and then you can give it to somebody else. But not until it's done the way that you want it done. And then 100 percent outsource it. Yeah. Um,  because we don't have the space to do all of the things. No. And. We do have people to help us, we just got to be okay with  getting the help.

Totally okay with getting help, it's my new mantra. If you want to help me, help. Me too. Yeah. I like that also. I like that a lot. Cause this is, I always talk about this at this time of year, it's that, um,  if you start, it's  the, it's the three Bs, right? So if we're going to get burnt out at this time of year, it's to do with, um, beliefs and boundaries.

So if  You know, it's like you've really got to be so not hard, but solid in your mind of what your beliefs are around this time of year and what your boundaries are. Also, if you believe you're going to burn out, you're burning out. Oh yeah. If you keep telling yourself over and over again, you're going to burn out, you're going to burn out.

So I know that there are certain situations that you're like, I'm, I'm close. I need a rest. Yeah. That is good. You should do that.  Don't constantly keep telling yourself you're going to burn out. You're going to burn out if you keep telling yourself you're going to burn out because you're literally telling the universe to give yourself more.

Yes. Um,  yeah, I completely agree. I think for me financially. I have flipped back to.  The way I used to do things and got a lot stricter on new ways. I'm doing things as well. Okay. So budget wise. So I have for a very long time being able to be a bit YOLO  because  I wasn't going through a  divorce and dealing with settlement and money being tied up and things like that.

Um,  and.  I didn't have money outstanding owing to the business from that settlement. So I've been able to be a little bit more flexible if things are okay and blah, blah, blah. Whereas  this lately, and especially at the end of this year, I have gone back to my methods that I always lived by because I don't have that flexibility and that freedom anymore because there's outstanding  money owed to my business.

And what it has done is woken me up to what I'm wasting.  Um, and never in my life have I been more grateful for our business sheets, our personal sheets. As much as when I'm in the process of doing those spreadsheets, I want I want to stab myself in the eye.

Like it  just, and it's all to do with how my brain works. I find it very hard to even view information like that, but the information I get from them  is  just, you can't even put a value on it. Agreed. And then for me this year, like the end of this year specifically. So my partner and I had been together  by the time this airs, nearly 12 months.

And.  Um, we're just gotten to that point now where he's got a business as well. So, and he's watched what I've done and he's allowing me in to help him too. So for me, that feels really special as well, because I didn't have that in a past life as well. And so finally, I feel like I'm building a life financially and personally with somebody and knowing what I know in a business sense.

That's really, really cool too, because I can see where our future goes when  Building towards something together. So, and the methods that Salon Rising uses is what we use through all of it. Um, so that's really, really cool as well. And, you know, we make decisions for the kids and stuff based off like, what are we spending at Christmas time?

What does this look like? How are we going to know? Because back in the day, Christmas time, I was just like, YOLO. I never, like, I was spending thousands and thousands for the three, two kids, then three kids, whereas we want to. teach our kids a lot more when it comes to the value of things and being a little bit more conscious on it and stuff like that.

Jen laughs because she's always been like that. Except for last year when you felt, oh, year before. Oh no, that was last year. Where you're like, crap, someone else doesn't do that. I've got to buy my kids more. That was so bad. And then I think that  all of those choices. Um, and I'm doing this still at 30, I still feel like I've going through that growth of that financial stage at 37.

But also being able to watch how our clients have developed this year in their lives. I'm like, I want some of this, I need to bring this back to myself because they've made such amazing choices and I'm so excited for their next 12 months, um, that I want to be in that as well. We have been able to witness. 

Man, some cool stuff this year. Some really cool stuff. The growth,  just yeah, the journeys that so many people have been on,  it's just so exciting. Yeah, agreed. Agreed. And that's why we keep doing this work, right? It's one of the highlights of my year. Me too. When people message and go, I was doing this and now I'm doing this, and you know that this work changes lives,  it is like, and I know it changes lives because it keeps changing mine.

Yeah. Thanks everyone. It's not even about changing other people's, it constantly changes mine. I feel like we've both come back to that this year. Yeah, agreed. Do you know what I mean? I feel like we're coming back to our roots. For sure. Yeah. I really feel like that. Yeah. It, yeah, it's mind blowing and I think that as much as you've done such amazing things for all the people that have come into our world this year, uh, and, and the years before obviously, but I feel like it's them that have pushed that really big shift.

that I feel like we're all making at the moment. You know what I mean? Like it's that you're giving so much, but also they give so much of themselves. So much. And I learned so much from them. Yeah. You know, all of my clients I learned so much from and they'll say something. And then a couple of months later, I'm experiencing it myself and going, Oh, I needed that.

I needed that,  you know, reassurance and that humbling to where I'm meant to be right now. Um, And just, yeah, having that community of people that can say that. So this was big for us for Mastermind.  You know, we spoke about our retreat, but that Mastermind,  the Mastermind that I had this year has given me life in so many ways, personally, professionally, me supporting them, them supporting me, um, and what we've kind of gone through together, it's been. 

It's been one of the absolute highlights. I don't think we've ever explained what a mastermind is. No. Okay. So  our mastermind, so we didn't open this up publicly. That's why. Okay. So our mastermind was developed Um, that we put it out to salon owners that we'd worked with, uh, previously, personally one on one and said, we're going to create a mastermind of humans that we work with every month.

We have Vox all of the time, but it's all about creating community and working and trans like transversing three things together. So we do it all together. And we had four salon owners we worked with and it was.  truly one of the most special things that I feel like I could have been a part of. Um, and we've been together for, for 12 months.

We just had retreat and it was just,  It was just magic. It was really, it really was. It was everything and more what I've watched these women go through this year, what I've been able to support them through, what they've supported me through, you know, and what they have supported each other through. Yeah.

And that's what I was saying. Like the coolest thing about that group of women, and we've had some of them on the pod and we will have the others on at the end. Transcripts provided by Transcription Outsourcing, LLC.  journey within their business, but man, were they just such a powerful group together.

Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. So that mastermind gave me life because I felt like I also got to be in it while I ran it. Same.  So, you know, being able to listen to their things, being able to be supported and also personally, like personal stuff that everybody went through this year was pretty huge. It was huge. Um, and then being able to  You know, it was, there's no surface level conversations.

It was really deep. And I feel like we just held each other through so much of it. So  I'm like deeply grateful for our mastermind. And I really look forward to what that looks like in 2025, you know, for salon owners that need their people, they need their humans, they need that support, they want to come out the end of 12 months and just feel like I had My team to get through this with.

And one of the greatest things for me with that new, I got goosebumps is how they all said they never had to bring any of their work home. Yes. At which point their relationships at home were better off for it. So their relationships with their partners were stronger. And to be honest, The sounding boards they had in their, in their people, in their group were better anyway.

These are the people that actually can support you and give you good advice. Yes. You know, really understand the situation. Whereas when you're taking it home,  is that, is that a must of mine?  Megan is talking. Hi, Megan. That's so funny. But yeah, it's like,  that's where you want to do it. And yeah, it's more enriching for your relationship because you're not coming in the door, you with that stuff.

Dumping it. Yeah. Yeah. So it's been, that's been pretty extraordinary having that and just having their sounding board. So I really look forward to what that looks like in 2025. Certainly. If anybody's listening to this and being like, Oh, I need this. I need my humans. I need my group. I need. The people that can hold me and support me through this 100 percent get in touch.

We will be running a mastermind in 2025. Um, it still is only for people that have worked with us before. Yes. So get in contact. We'll go through the process because definitely we need to work with like, doesn't necessarily need to have been one on one, but just, Yeah, done the base programs so that we know how to keep moving through things.

Yeah. But it doesn't mean you can't do it and then be involved in this program. Certainly, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, our mastermind was just, yeah, it was, it was very cool. Um, another thing for me is, yeah, all of those, um, strategies of how to move forward. So  I'm really excited. We've, um, created a program starting.

The beginning of the year, which is a reset for your whole business going into 2025. Holy fuck, 2025. I know, you've said that like four times now and it just keeps giving me heart palpitations. I'm trying to remind myself 2025, 2025. Um, Because we did a reset at the beginning of this year, but this is like a rework of the, this is a reset of the reset, right?

Reset of the reset, so. Financials will be put in there as well, um, cause we have, we ourselves have completely changed how we do our budget forms and stuff. So,  um, anyone can do it. Anyone who's done it can do it again, but there'll be, you know, a financial reset, there'll be a team reset, there'll be, you know, the reset on setting everything into place like we did last year, but even stronger because I think it's really important.

Like I've said, and sometimes it's just good to have a plan, a plan and a path. If you. You know.  Don't what is it? I said, you plan to fail and it's really. You know, one of the things that's definitely saved me this year is having all my meetings put into place. Yeah. So that they're there. I don't have to worry about changing clients.

It's constant. I can tune into my team constantly. I know where things are coming and don't get me wrong. There was a lot of thing I planned for this year that didn't happen. Yeah. And there's also things that you hadn't planned for that you had to navigate and that's okay as well. That's okay as well.

It's more so though trying to have some structure at the beginning of the year, knowing what things look like, feeling in charge of things, feeling like you're like, okay, that looks good. Yeah. And then you can kind of move through that, but definitely financial, financial has been massive for me at, at where I am, where I want to go, just being really eyes wide open instead of head under the covers.

Um, and like people have said in the programs, I don't want to survive. In your business or in personal life? Everywhere.  Everywhere.  Wow. Everywhere. That's huge. Very much way more eyes wide open then, because it's like anything, you get to a point where I have been able to be a bit more flexible and just do what I want to do. 

I'm not doing that anymore because,  um, I'm 37 and I need to stop it, you know, because,  And I need to restrict and I need to work out what we want. Like, you know, I'm almost at the beginning of,  you know, that new stage of life where I was building my life to a point, but that life doesn't exist anymore. So it's about building a new life.

And what does that look like? And I have to start from scratch again. So it's those type of things as well. Um,  so yeah, I think being able to know what all of that looks like and having the tools and the resources to do that is huge. So resetting myself at the beginning of the year will be,  a game changer because the, you know, no matter how many times you try and reset yourself, nothing does that like January one.

Yeah. And having  accountability, like it's just having that accountability that, okay, this is what you're sorting out this week. This is what you're sorting out that week and you know, and the process to work through and it just compartmentalizes everything. Yeah. makes it feel achievable. Otherwise it's just like, it's too hard.

Absolutely. And we've developed, which we'll put into these programs as well. We've developed certain ways that we're doing things now, which again, you keep developing and then you change and do something else. And they do something else. This seems to be something that you and I really love on how we've done this.

Jen's doing it and I'm doing it. It's really to be able to pull all of that noise out of our mind and be okay day to day rather than feeling like we're not achieving. Um, it's very simple. So all of that stuff goes into it with resources and stuff of how we're running and doing all of the things. But all of those things, people say to me all the time, how do you do it?

How do you do  full time that, full time this, full time kids, full time that? It's, it's having the systems and the people in place to help and the systems in place to help so that you feel like you can keep doing that.  And, you know, I, and we're constantly evolving the systems, always evolving the systems.

And I said to like, I said to, it's funny, I said that to Lee yesterday, I'm like, there will come a time where we don't spend four hours in the kitchen on a Sunday afternoon prepping for our week because our kids are grown and we'll be sitting on the couch or, and I was like, we may not miss it, but we also may miss it.

Like, you know, we're never going to get this time back with our kids where we're like, You know, making waffles is the greatest morning and going to the creek is the most amount of fun. Like, I really want to foster while our babies are little,  that life for them so that they have all of those wholesome memories.

Like, we're not going to get this time back. So as much as it can feel overwhelming in this moment,  this is still a really wonderful life. I. I say this to people all the time,  never once have I regretted making those things a priority in our lives and for my children. Yes. Never once. And yeah, and I don't think that will ever change.

Yes. Agreed. Yeah.  I don't want my kids to look back and go  like, and I say to the kids, I am doing the best I can like at all times when sometimes I feel like I don't, I'm like, I'm doing the best I can. I'm  doing the best I can, you know, on. And the best you can do is. relevant to the day that you are in.

Yeah. It is your best in that particular moment. Yeah. And I've said that to Al, like Albs has had a few dance concerts that she's dancing one dance in. The concert goes for like four hours  and I know I'm going to watch that dance the next week at Odin. I'm like, I'm not coming. I love you, but I'm not coming.

I'm like, that's the best because I knew I had to take the kids there, get her dropped off at the casino, get home, get the kids sorted, get them fed, put to bed, leave them with Lee. And then I go, cause he was at work. I'm like, the best is that. But I'm like, but I met everything like I spent, you know, Saturday with all of the kids in Brisbane at a footy carnival.

Um, but I didn't go the Sunday because I tapped in with one of my girlfriends and she did the Sunday. Yeah. You know, you do the best that you can. You make sure you're always there for the things that they need you to be in. Because like, nothing brings me more joy than, you know, I said to Albert the other day, I am going to try and be at your band concert.

I am at work until five, I will get there as quickly as I possibly can. But just like watching their little face, like I sat down and she was like, you can tell she was like, is she here? And then their little faces lit up when you're there. You know.  It's being the best that we can, but it's the same with our team.

We can't always be there all of the time, but you just be the best you can when you can. Um, and it's also about resetting. I really think for us, even in La Sirela at the moment, it's resetting the important things again. We've just done that again with how we dress. Yeah. Things get sloppy. Things get a little bit out of hand.

You let things go,  you know, all of you salon owners out there right now going, yeah, probably let that go. Cause it's too hard basket and I don't care. And it's not that important. All of those things are important.  How we present ourselves, how we do client relations, how we speak to people on the phone, how we greet them at the door.

All of those things are so important that if it's getting a little slip sloppery.  What are we doing to pull that back? Yeah. And this will come into reset as well. Because I think those things are really important. And having those little things at different incremental moments to focus on. Yes. It's like, right, this, you know, this month, this week, this day, we focus on this.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, things can get sloppy even for ourselves. And we're just like, I'm like, I'm tired. I'm just going to tuck my hair back, I can't talk today, I'm a slick ass bun, but I don't mind that as long as it's done in a way that doesn't look messy, like, you know, you're the front of your hair's out.

So it looks nice. I've slicked mine back properly with products. So it's not just like pieces everywhere. I think it's taking that little bit of time to present ourselves better because it got a little bit sloppy for us and I was in baggy t shirts and some runners and stuff like that, which is fine, but I'm potentially not looking hip.

I look homeless. And that's not okay for the caliber of what I'm trying to present. You're totally going to be in runners every day. I can though. Have to. You have to. And they are cool runners. They're cool runners. You're not in, like, lame ass shoes. You look cool.  I got a little homeless for a while there.

And the team says it as well. The team are like,  we probably got a little bit, like,  Um, and then they're tired. So I don't wear makeup. I'm like, this is not acceptable anymore. Okay. You know, like we've got to present ourselves well to our clients and even the systems, what can we do better? And this came from Mastermind.

You know, they send out, I was talking to all the girls last week about them sending out consult forms before clients come in and stuff. All of these things that I know that I have wanted to do, but I haven't got it in place yet. So they're keeping me accountable for stuff that I want to move through and I want to implement in the new year.

Uh, For systems to make things better.  I think the important thing to point out here is that this is the time of year when a lot of people are doing the, alright these are the things you need to do right now, whereas we're so not like that. We are, no, no, you have the plan at the beginning, and then you just, tick, tick, tick, throughout the year.

It's not like a, oh my gosh, we've got to hustle and do all this stuff now. I think as I can end on that,  this year has been massive.  We have gone through a lot. Yeah.  I'm ready for 2025. I'm excited for 2025. Me too.  Um,  be as present as you possibly can. Yeah. Plan as much as you possibly can  and  be proactive. They're my three Ps for today.  My Presence, plan and proactive.

My little thing that I wanted to finish on today is I just wanted to say thank you to you and Richard who is sitting off in the corner here because I have had the most incredible year. Oh, don't do that man. Of things that I never ever thought would happen and I couldn't have done any of them without the two of you.

We didn't even touch on Salon Rising really of what that's brought us but we have We've visited many different states, we've visited different countries.  Oh, just our Sail On Rising stuff, but even the other stuff that I have done, I could not have done without. my Salon Rising family. Neither. I apologize profusely for both of you for my many meltdowns I had this year. 

Tapped out is a word, right? I'm pretty sure Richard must have called Jen many times being like, this bitch, she is  doing many meltdowns. It's really nice in Salon Rising because I can have meltdowns because there's other people to handle it. Whereas in Lazzarella. There's no one else. I don't have. I, there's no one else to fall on, so you just have to make it happen.

Whereas I can have my slight meltdowns in Fallen Rising and it'd be okay. But  I'm exactly the same. There's no way personally, professionally, I would have  got through this year if we didn't have the support.  Like the people that are inside our salon rising walls, both our clients and each other. So also thank you to everybody who's done the podcast ride with us this year.

Like it's so, just so you guys are aware when you guys reach out and tell us that you love the podcast, it means so much. This is, we didn't rehearse that. That just happened organically.  This is a love job. Jen and I do this just because, you know, we love the podcast and we make time in our  week to do it. And we love supporting other people. Yeah. And we love sharing other people's stories. Yeah. Like it's just, yeah. And I also wanted to say a massive thank you to Ozdare who have supported our podcast for the year.

Because, you know, behind it, a podcast like this isn't just. Chuck our voices on and chuck it online. Yeah, there's actually so much. It's expensive to do. And being able to have this amazing support behind us. So the reason why the podcast exists guys is because Ozdare is supporting us. Yeah. And you know, we're able to give you all this information from us. 

for free because there's this amazing company that believes so wholeheartedly in Salon Rising that we've been able to do this. So without Ausdair we can't and we're so internally grateful for them believing in what this does for our industry and how our work will help our industry. with nothing else expected in return.

So we're eternally grateful for them. Yeah. Gratitude all around. Gratitude around. So thank you guys for listening. I look forward to what 2025  brings us. Um, and we look forward to, you know, as we said, get in touch with anything that you guys want to see any guests you want to see. Um, and hopefully 2025 is even bigger and more beautiful than 2024.

Yeah. Peace out 2024. Bye guys.